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1] MS. MCKENZIE: Karen Senn.

2] MS. SENN: No.

3] MS. MCKENZIE: Robin Saum.

4] MS. SAUM: Yes.

5] MS. MCKENZIE: Charlotte Sankey.

6] MS. SANKEY: Yes.

7] MS. MCKENZIE: Joan Dean Rowe.

8] DR. JOAN DEAN ROWE: No.

9] MS. MCKENZIE: Shari Reyna.

10] MS. REYNA: Yes.

11] MS. MCKENZIE: Laurie Petersen.

12] MS. PETERSON: Yes.

13] MS. MCKENZIE: Carl Page.

14] MR. PAGE: Yes.

15] MS. MCKENZIE: Pat Morford.

16] MS. MORFORD: Yes.

17] MS. MCKENZIE: Annette Maze.

18] MS. MAZE: Yes.

19] MS. MCKENZIE: Bonnie Kempe

20] MS. KEMPE: Yes.

21] MS. MCKENZIE: Pat Hendrickson.

22] MS. HENDRICKSON: Yes.

23] MS. MCKENZIE: Marsha Gustafson.

24] MS. GUSTAFSON: Abstain.

25] MS. MCKENZIE: Noah Goddard.

1] MR. GODDARD: Yes.

2] MS. MCKENZIE: Patricia Dean.

3] MS. DEAN: No.

4] MS. MCKENZIE: Dave Daubert.

5] MR. DAUBERT: No.

6] MS. MCKENZIE: Harvey Considine.

7] MR. HARVEY CONSIDINE: Yes.

8] MS. MCKENZIE: Daniel Considine.

9] MR. DANIEL CONSIDINE: Yes.

10] MS. MCKENZIE: Phil Cassette.

11] MR. PHILIP CASSETTE: Yes.

12] MS. MCKENZIE: Linda Campbell.

13] MS. CAMPBELL: Yes.

14] MS. MCKENZIE: Jamie Burks.

15] MR. BURKS: Yes.

16] MS. MCKENZIE: June Bryan.

17] MS. BRYAN: No.

18] MS. MCKENZIE: Kristina Bozzo.

19] MS. BOZZO: No.

20] MS. MCKENZIE: Allen Bitter.

21] MR. BITTER: Yes.

22] MS. MCKENZIE: Donna Anderson.

23] MS. ANDERSON: Yes.

24] MS. MCKENZIE: George Altheide.

25] MR. ALTHEIDE: No.

1] MS. MCKENZIE: Ten "no," one

2] abstain.

3] MR. DANIEL CONSIDINE: Ten "no,"

4] one abstention, 18 "yes." The motion carries. Do

5] we have anything else you would like to do with

6] the Sable issue now, or do we just move on?

7] MS. BERRY: The next proposal.

8] MR. DANIEL CONSIDINE: The next

9] item.

10] MS. BERRY: Okay. And this really

11] is in response to what George was saying. If we

12] do this, then this is the second proposal which

13] would allow for what we just voted for. We

14] propose adding wording to the Guidebook under

15] Procedures For Breeds Requesting ADGA Recognition

16] J(1)(e) following, quote, "at lease four

17] generations of ancestry conforming to breed

18] standards from a verifiable registry for animals

19] eligible for registry" add quote "or a sub group

20] of an existing breed with heritable traits that

21] distinguish it from the parent breed such as color

22] meeting all other rules of this Section A through

23] F."

24] MR. DANIEL CONSIDINE: So this is

25] the item that we knew would be coming up when we

1] changed some wording earlier yesterday. And it's

2] recommended from the committee 14 to 1 to accept

3] this for color breeds basically to list it in the

4] procedures, to be used in the procedure for a new

5] breed that they could be direct kids without four

6] generations. Okay. Do we need to discuss that?

7] Those in favor say "aye."

8] BOARD MEMBERS: Aye.

9] MR. DANIEL CONSIDINE: Opposed

10] "no."

11] BOARD MEMBERS: No.

12] MR. DANIEL CONSIDINE: Who are the

13] "nos"? Bozzo, Dean, Altheide. Any other "nos"?

14] Bryan is "no." Abstentions? Gustafson. All

15] right. This item carries.

16] We are to item number three, microchipping

17] unless you have other Sable. Yes, Cassette.

18] MR. PHILIP CASSETTE: I'm just a

19] little concerned on the Sable proposal, and I did

20] vote for it; but action takes place immediately

21] unless otherwise stated. So I'd like to make the

22] motion that the Sable proposal that we approve

23] take effect January 1st, 2005, to allow for

24] programming and other items.

25] MS. KEMPE: Second.

1] changed some wording earlier yesterday. And it's

2] recommended from the committee 14 to 1 to accept

3] this for color breeds basically to list it in the

4] procedures, to be used in the procedure for a new

5] breed that they could be direct kids without four

6] generations. Okay. Do we need to discuss that?

7] Those in favor say "aye."

8] BOARD MEMBERS: Aye.

9] MR. DANIEL CONSIDINE: Opposed

10] "no."

11] BOARD MEMBERS: No.

12] MR. DANIEL CONSIDINE: Who are the

13] "nos"? Bozzo, Dean, Altheide. Any other "nos"?

14] Bryan is "no." Abstentions? Gustafson. All

15] right. This item carries.

16] We are to item number three, microchipping

17] unless you have other Sable. Yes, Cassette.

18] MR. PHILIP CASSETTE: I'm just a

19] little concerned on the Sable proposal, and I did

20] vote for it; but action takes place immediately

21] unless otherwise stated. So I'd like to make the

22] motion that the Sable proposal that we approve

23] take effect January 1st, 2005, to allow for

24] programming and other items.

25] MS. KEMPE: Second.

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1] MR. DANIEL CONSIDINE: Motion,

2] second by Kempe. And that sets a time for the

3] herd book being available. Discussion on that

4] motion? Campbell.

5] MS. CAMPBELL: Yes. I'd just like

6] to see how this might impact the IM's proposal.

7] If we had included it so that they could be part

8] of the development of the next program, it could

9] be included in that price. Am I correct, Jim,

10] that that would be a possibility?

11] MR. DANIEL CONSIDINE: Jim Wilson,

12] would you like to answer that? I know you did

13] have something about that in your report.

14] MR. WILSON: I would agree that

15] the development part of the herd book would be

16] included in this proposal from Orix if you so

17] chose. He would just set it up as he would be

18] doing any other breed that currently exists. Just

19] looking at some of the things on page three,

20] number five, there may be some additional time and

21] issues there more than just programming.

22] MR. DANIEL CONSIDINE: But time

23] wise if we end up using the Orix proposal, I think

24] the answer would be this would work in with that.

25] Okay. And we do have this motion for January 1st,

1] 2005. That's what we're on. Daubert. We're

2] looking at the time the book would be available

3] because that was not in the committee

4] recommendation.

5] MR. DAUBERT: Point of

6] clarification: Mr. Cassette, would you assume

7] that all of the other things that we're working on

8] in new breeds would also apply to be effective on

9] the 1st of January? I'm concerned that we've

10] fallen behind on a lot of things getting ready for

11] the Nigerian, all of the ancillary things. Would

12] you anticipate that all of the ancillary things

13] would also be to be done by the 1st of January

14] 2005? If that's the case, I think we are in

15] trouble getting all these other ancillary things

16] done.

17] MR. DANIEL CONSIDINE: Comment

18] from Daubert. He questions whether it's possible.

19] Cassette, would you like to address that?

20] MR. PHILIP CASSETTE: I'll address

21] Dave's question about intent. My intent was to

22] allow at least the next 14 months up until that

23] point to get everything ready, which includes

24] Linda's comment dealing with a proposal to deal

25] with the establishment of a herd book in that end.

1] If Director Daubert has concerns that that is not

2] enough time, then he needs to speak for himself.

3] I'm sitting here saying we need at least that much

4] time.

5] MR. DANIEL CONSIDINE: Hendrickson.

6] MS. HENDRICKSON: By "the

7] ancillary things" are you referring to DHIA and

8] linear and that sort of thing? Because this is a

9] standard breed of dairy goat that is basically

10] Saanen; and it would qualify under all those

11] parameters as a Saanen or any other standard

12] breed. I don't understand what other factors you

13] could be thinking of. That is what the New Breeds

14] Task Force was working on with linear for the

15] Nigerians; and it is different. This breed would

16] not need that kind of work.

17] MR. DANIEL CONSIDINE: Wilson, do

18 ]you have a comment?

19] MR. WILSON: The only thing that I

20] would point out at this point sitting here

21] thinking about it would be the start time of Orix

22] should the board choose Orix, he has estimated the

23] project to be six months. And so let's say we

24] started him January 1, 2004. He would be done

25] possibly and still waiting for answers or changes

1] that might come in from some of these issues that

2] haven't been decided.

3] MR. DANIEL CONSIDINE: Comments

4] from Bozzo?

5] MS. BOZZO: I just, I mean, we

6] haven't gotten a revised bid on the IM project to

7] put this proposal in. We have no idea what the

8] cost is going to be. And I would make a motion to

9] amend Phil's motion and make it January 2006,

10] January 1, 2006.

11] MR. DANIEL CONSIDINE: That can be

12] accepted as a motion to amend basically. We need

13] a second though.

14] MR. DAUBERT: Second.

15] MR. DANIEL CONSIDINE: Second here

16] from Daubert. So now we need to decide if you

17] prefer to be voting on the 2006 date instead of

18] the 2005 date.

19] MS. CAMPBELL: Point of order.

20] MR. DANIEL CONSIDINE: Campbell.

21] MS. CAMPBELL: I have a question

22] whether that is indeed a substitute motion,

23] because that changes the entire intent. The

24] motion only dealt with one issue, and that was a

25] date.

1] MR. DANIEL CONSIDINE: You could

2] view it as a substitute; but I'm saying that it

3] seems that the intent of this board is that they

4] want to set a date and the motion was creating a

5] date which wasn't created before. This just

6] changes what it is. So you can defeat this

7] amendment to the motion; but I think it's easier

8] to handle it as an amendment.

9] MS. CAMPBELL: Okay. So you will

10] be asking us to vote an a amendment; and then

11] we'll have the opportunity to return to the

12] original?

13] MR. DANIEL CONSIDINE: Yes.

14] Whether you want a date at all. Right. So right

15] now it is do we change the date by one year in the

16] motion that you will then be getting.

17] MS. CAMPBELL: Could I speak to

18] that?

19] MR. DANIEL CONSIDINE: Yes,

20] Campbell.

21] MS. CAMPBELL: Speaking to that I

22] think this further complicates the issue of

23] getting the development of the herd book. This

24] now prolongs the entire process where we have the

25] opportunity to include it possibly with what we